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I am sitting here contemplating wisdom. Specifically what it is and how it can help me. Not the general wisdom which is particular to a given situation, but rather the idea of wisdom itself.
My definition is "information which may govern my actions to allow an efficient positive outcome in a situation." I can see how wisdom then relates to philosophy (a way of living). So for me wisdom is prudential, that is that it is useful on a moment to moment basis in helping me determine what is good.
I now realize that what "is good" may change depending upon circumstance. So then my wisdom must be flexible and not a static dogma.By it's very nature then, wisdom is not a concrete way of being or doing. A person wishing to use wisdom as a principle may well need to be very flexible and attentive to mindfulness. That is paying attention to the details of one's life and situations as they arise. Then we can apply our reason to contemplate the best way in which we may respond.
In the end result, is there any particular rule of thumb I can use to determine that I have tried my best ? How may I be assured that my actions are positive and constructive towards that which I am trying to achieve? When we go deep inside our natures and investigate our being we find many such ideas. Love, Security, Happiness, Well being. These are all based on feelings within which give us pleasure. Going even deeper we may find that there is an emptiness. A void which is quite indifferent and unknown to our consciousness. Like a vast space of our universe, we know little about it. It seems to defy our ability to understand for it is greater than our pleasure seeking egos. But if you are able to get yourself right to the edge of this vast 'un-consciousness' you will see how many such concepts of our reason like Justice, Security, Happiness, Laughter and Well being are temporal. That is they exist only for a short time before conditions change in phenomena. So they degree of their being real is in question. These concepts are transitory and can not be depended upon. because they are (like wisdom) created in a whim of circumstance, and just as likely to disappear when our circumstances change.
The last of these transitory concepts to disolve at the edge of the 'unknown' is Love. Now I have said this to people before and was asked, "Are you sure?" My reply then as now is that I invite you to discover it yourself! For me, I have found the criteria which allows me to make my judgement. But this does not mean that someone has to accept my proof. But you will find that at the moment you are losing your consciousness to this vast unknown universe (in sleep, in orgasm, in death) there is one aspect , one nature, one power. And though it is illusionary, it is the one which is best believed in....and that is Love.
Love is the wisdom by which I can best determine my intentions and actions. Loving myself, caring and loving others, learning to love that which I do not like. Learning to love situations which create fear or hostility. In this love is acceptance and patience. Acceptance in allowing people to be who they are, and patience to see how things will change.
But do not mistake Love for craving and clinging. Do not mistake Love for seeking to avoid that which is unpleasant (aversion). This you may see is a deeper level of acceptance. Allowing a loving situation to occur without any intention of trying to hold it. Allowing a negative situation to occur without instantly trying to change it. Through this I have the time and space to see how I can best help....how wisdom may best serve myself and others.
So Wisdom, like enlightenment is a part of everyone. Not something we have to find, but rather they are something we can learn to be and use. As far as myself? I have acted foolishly, I have acted wisely. May I learn the benefit of both and choose well.
peace
fox
My definition is "information which may govern my actions to allow an efficient positive outcome in a situation." I can see how wisdom then relates to philosophy (a way of living). So for me wisdom is prudential, that is that it is useful on a moment to moment basis in helping me determine what is good.
I now realize that what "is good" may change depending upon circumstance. So then my wisdom must be flexible and not a static dogma.By it's very nature then, wisdom is not a concrete way of being or doing. A person wishing to use wisdom as a principle may well need to be very flexible and attentive to mindfulness. That is paying attention to the details of one's life and situations as they arise. Then we can apply our reason to contemplate the best way in which we may respond.
In the end result, is there any particular rule of thumb I can use to determine that I have tried my best ? How may I be assured that my actions are positive and constructive towards that which I am trying to achieve? When we go deep inside our natures and investigate our being we find many such ideas. Love, Security, Happiness, Well being. These are all based on feelings within which give us pleasure. Going even deeper we may find that there is an emptiness. A void which is quite indifferent and unknown to our consciousness. Like a vast space of our universe, we know little about it. It seems to defy our ability to understand for it is greater than our pleasure seeking egos. But if you are able to get yourself right to the edge of this vast 'un-consciousness' you will see how many such concepts of our reason like Justice, Security, Happiness, Laughter and Well being are temporal. That is they exist only for a short time before conditions change in phenomena. So they degree of their being real is in question. These concepts are transitory and can not be depended upon. because they are (like wisdom) created in a whim of circumstance, and just as likely to disappear when our circumstances change.
The last of these transitory concepts to disolve at the edge of the 'unknown' is Love. Now I have said this to people before and was asked, "Are you sure?" My reply then as now is that I invite you to discover it yourself! For me, I have found the criteria which allows me to make my judgement. But this does not mean that someone has to accept my proof. But you will find that at the moment you are losing your consciousness to this vast unknown universe (in sleep, in orgasm, in death) there is one aspect , one nature, one power. And though it is illusionary, it is the one which is best believed in....and that is Love.
Love is the wisdom by which I can best determine my intentions and actions. Loving myself, caring and loving others, learning to love that which I do not like. Learning to love situations which create fear or hostility. In this love is acceptance and patience. Acceptance in allowing people to be who they are, and patience to see how things will change.
But do not mistake Love for craving and clinging. Do not mistake Love for seeking to avoid that which is unpleasant (aversion). This you may see is a deeper level of acceptance. Allowing a loving situation to occur without any intention of trying to hold it. Allowing a negative situation to occur without instantly trying to change it. Through this I have the time and space to see how I can best help....how wisdom may best serve myself and others.
So Wisdom, like enlightenment is a part of everyone. Not something we have to find, but rather they are something we can learn to be and use. As far as myself? I have acted foolishly, I have acted wisely. May I learn the benefit of both and choose well.
peace
fox
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Unsu...
Re: peace of mind ever changing
Fri, February 16, 2007 - 1:16 AMNice!
Very well said, but I must diverge slightly. I know at 2,400 years old, it's becoming a bit trite, still I do hold that wisdom begins by knowing oneself, and this begins with honesty, honesty with oneself about oneself. Before you can properly love any other being or thing, the divine, a partner, even an adversary, you must first love yourself. You cannot love yourself until you know and accept yourself. You cannot know and accept yourself until you are honest with yourself...so, divine love, if I may, begins with self knowledge.
Moreover, and as you pointed out in the definition of wisdom as allowing governance of positive outcome, wisdom is often regarded (perhaps oddly enough) as the ability to predict the outcome of something. In order to do this, you must know yourself (in addition Sun Tzu also points out a knowledge of the terrain and the opponent/obstacle, etc.). Again we see that self knowledge is the root. You cannot overcome something if you don't know yourself. Indeed given that in this realm you are a mind imprisoned behind a few crappy senses, you really can't properly know the obstacle or the terrain until you first know yourself. (This is similar to the above note about love).
In terms of liberation, one must first realize that one is not (merely/primarily) a physical being. Until that is seated firmly not just in the understanding, but in a realization, liberation will continue to allude the seeker.
It is well given in martial arts that one does not actually fight their opponent in battle, but rather themselves: one fights their own limitations (this applies to an army as a whole as well). When one does not know oneself frustration, anger, and ineffectuality ensue. From frustration and anger, more ineffectuality obtains. This causes more frustration and anger.
So, contemplation of the divine, of the good, of love, of the outcome, of really anything one might think of as wisdom requires knowledge of oneself. This is Gnosis, and it is not easy, but it is how (I think) those like Socrates and Jesus can be rudely and brutally condemned to death and still look lovingly upon humans and humanity.
I deeply enjoyed your post, it stirred me.
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Re: peace of mind ever changing
Fri, February 16, 2007 - 7:35 AMknowledge + experience = wisdom -
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Unsu...
Re: peace of mind ever changing
Fri, February 16, 2007 - 6:57 PMWhat experience of the "outside" world have you that is not interpreted through your internal faculties and states?
Nosce te ipsum
(Know yourself)
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Re: peace of mind ever changing
Mon, February 19, 2007 - 12:58 PMHi,
that which is not interpreted through the senses?
Actually we perceive in a complex manner (IMO) in which the reason and memory become the secondery process. There is a direct perception...then the intellect comes into play and interprets the information.
By seeking to know the primal part of consciousness that perceives first, assists us in becoming free from our own chains of ignorance. :)
I am glad you enjoyed it.
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Unsu...
Re: peace of mind ever changing
Tue, February 20, 2007 - 12:44 AMYour talking of the Kantian apperception, yes? -
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Unsu...
Re: peace of mind ever changing
Tue, February 20, 2007 - 12:45 AMP.S. And I am enjoying this conversation very much, thanks to all. -
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Re: peace of mind ever changing
Tue, February 20, 2007 - 12:14 PMI have a little knowledge about Kant and his philosophy, I am unsure whether he covered this or not :)
My comments are from a two fold base of criteria, the first being my experience, the second being a study of Buddhist psychology. ( I find either to be in keeping with Hermeticism)
In "Affictive Emotions" a Western author was present at two discussions hosted by the Dali Lama. During these discussions several top scientists were invited to hold discussions with the Dali Lama on various aspects of consciousness and how to help people. I believe these discussions are called "Mind & Life" and have been held for the last 20 years.
One Dr. who was studying the nerural patterns and response time between perception and cognition interested the Dali Lama. According to the DL there are Buddhist teachings which infer that there is a part of the mind (Primal consciousness) which apprehends a stimulus before the congnitive ability interprets it. The DL was very excited to hear that this had recently been proven to be a fact by Western Medicine and science.
I understand that the "primal Mind" the DL is refering to is also known in the Dzogchen teachings as the "Rigpa". It is in one sense sheer awareness of reality , and can be discovered to exist within our consciousness. In some teachings it is also called "realization of the clear light." These teachings are of the Vajrayana school of Tibetan Buddhism, and may or may not be familar to the casual reader.
As a mention, one course to discovering this "Rigpa" is to meditate upon perception itself. One discovers that everyday thoughts are a part of, or an "arising" of this clear light within.
This is called the "View" in the Dzogchen teachings. There are then the "Path", and the "Fruition" which make up the other two parts of this school of Buddhist thought.
Any way......I find it interesting to consider this, especially when we have words like "Enlightenment" and consider that Neuro Physiologists have determined that all our thoughts are chemical reactions which cause electrical impulses to jump from neuron to neuron. That small electrons are worm holing (disappearing from one point in space and reappearing in another) within our brains. And....that this entire process is a form of energy exchange to which "light" is a realistic metaphor :)
Ok,,,,enough of that...lets 'Lighten up!'
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Unsu...
Re: peace of mind ever changing
Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:41 PM>> "Ok,,,,enough of that...lets 'Lighten up!'" <<
Pun Points! Yea!
What your describing here has some interesting similarities with Kant (actually givens the meditation upon them, which Kant would have denied, we are closer to Hegel and Husserl), but you are perhaps right, this may be the wrong forum for ths discussion. I do appologize. I tend not to divorce philosophy from Hermetics (Given the writtings of Regardie and Crowley, neither did they). I think it's woderfully illuminating on the works of these folks to follow the path of philosophy from the Greek Idealists to the German Idealists.
Thanks for the chat, though, it was good Soul Food.
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Re: peace of mind ever changing
Sun, July 27, 2008 - 12:19 AMThe troubled mind is not human at all. Then there is one calm and human to discover.
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Thu, August 14, 2008 - 1:42 AMPeace is not of mind, but in the lack of it. -
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Unsu...
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Tue, August 26, 2008 - 4:03 AMThat is the wisest thing I've heard on tribe all year.
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Sat, August 30, 2008 - 1:16 PMThere are two minds, technically speaking. The one called one's own is of course not one's own at all, otherwise one could stop it at will. One removes this parasite in order to resurface true will but that is just a way of speaking, of course.
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Re: peace of mind ever changing
Thu, September 4, 2008 - 6:05 AMTry Astavakra Samhita:)