Chaos?

topic posted Tue, June 7, 2005 - 1:21 PM by  makita
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I seem to notice a lot of sites and people that subscribe to hermeticism also associate with chaos magic. Could someone explain this to me?
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  • Re: Chaos?

    Tue, June 7, 2005 - 2:29 PM
    Im not sure if you are asking what chaos magick is or why people subscribe to its philosophy. As far as a description goes, there are many sites out there that talk about what chaos magick is:
    www.chaosmagic.com/archives...ick.shtml

    Some of the techniques used in chaos magick were derived from Hermetic sources, so this probably explains the dual interest from many people. One of the nice things about chaos magick is that it is very flexible in its approach to magic. However, in my experience CM practitioners seem to be geared toward the manipulation of external circumstance rather than inner transformation.
    • Re: Chaos?

      Tue, June 7, 2005 - 3:19 PM
      I am familiar with what it is, I'm not sure I understand the affiliation, it could be just coincidence that I occasionally run into resources that mention both.

      "in my experience CM practitioners seem to be geared toward the manipulation of external circumstance rather than inner transformation. "

      This is one of the aspects that was confusing me. Your explanation of some techniques were derived Hermetic sources found in chaos magic helps. Perhaps part of it depends on what method of thought ultimately leads someone towards Hermeticism.
      • Re: Chaos?

        Tue, June 7, 2005 - 4:45 PM
        CM practitioners also have been known to expand their knowledge base by studying more difficult systems of magic.
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          Wed, June 8, 2005 - 11:11 AM
          Chaos & Hemetics

          1)Both can be seen as a form of Ontology. Related fields.
          2)Both can be considered as occult informaton, again related.
          3)People who subscribe to both are human and interested in various fields of arcane knowledge.

          or
          4)Insane people have similar behaviors :)
          • Re: Chaos?

            Wed, June 8, 2005 - 11:30 AM
            1)Both can be seen as a form of Ontology. Related fields.
            2)Both can be considered as occult informaton, again related.
            3)People who subscribe to both are human and interested in various fields of arcane knowledge.

            I had observed these similarities. Fascinating.
            • Re: Chaos?

              Wed, June 8, 2005 - 11:43 AM
              On a different note, what are peoples' opinion of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn versus other forms of Hermeticism? Obviously Westcott and Mathers drew on a number of other sources.

              I would also be curious about other people's personal approaches toward Hermeticism. My basis has been Masonic, Pythagorean and Egyptian, with some elements of Alchemy, Qabalah and Gnosticism.
              • Re: Chaos?

                Wed, June 8, 2005 - 1:25 PM
                I combine traditional Hermetic practice with Gnostic philosophy. This seems to be a good mix for me. In my view, Gnosticism provides a suitable worldview and Hermeticism provides practical methods for attaining gnosis.
                • Re: Chaos?

                  Wed, June 8, 2005 - 2:23 PM
                  I always thought of Gnosticism as a particularly elegant system of belief. I'm fascinated by the Ophites of Minoa.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: Chaos?

                    Wed, June 8, 2005 - 3:25 PM
                    Mmmm - interesting bunch, those Ophites. Im currently courting Isis myself. :)
                    • Re: Chaos?

                      Fri, June 10, 2005 - 12:23 PM
                      I am curious as to what 'traditonal Hermetic practice' is?

                      Is the Traditional variety better than the newer versions?

                      Thank you
                      Fox
                      • Re: Chaos?

                        Fri, June 10, 2005 - 12:25 PM
                        pS-

                        My version of practice is......

                        'Know Thyself' (ancient saying)

                        'Now DO IT' (Neo Hermetic)

                        Peace and Love
                        on your ways
                        Fox
                        • Re: Chaos?

                          Fri, June 10, 2005 - 1:28 PM
                          Now, be honest, you stole that from a Nike commercial, didn't you?



                          Just kidding ;)
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                            Wed, June 15, 2005 - 11:21 AM
                            No that is funny and I have noticed the pun before. Nike is the Greek goddess of Victory, and how better than to Know thyself....then put it into action :)
                      • Re: Chaos?

                        Fri, June 10, 2005 - 1:27 PM
                        >> I am curious as to what 'traditonal Hermetic practice' is?

                        I suppose the word 'traditional' is a bit vague when referring to Hermeticism. Please consider that word deleted when reading my previous post.
                        • Re: Chaos?

                          Fri, June 10, 2005 - 1:33 PM
                          I think the word Hermeticism implies a tradition anyways. Older or newer variations are a matter of preference, I don't think there is a better or worse. Most important is devotion and practice, just do it in other words.
                          • Re: Chaos?

                            Fri, June 10, 2005 - 6:49 PM
                            Hermetic magic has origins in blending Egyptian and Greek traditions, into a new alloyed tradition.

                            It can be a touch anal retentive in practice (one ritual can take 3 days).
                            • Re: Chaos?

                              Mon, June 13, 2005 - 9:29 AM
                              It's the Wagnerian approach to mysticsm.
                              • Re: Chaos?

                                Wed, June 15, 2005 - 11:30 AM
                                I can hear 'Ride of the Valkryes' as people make a ritual to show 'how people think,' so they can be blessed with wisdom about how to formulate an Hypothosis,

                                Fox
                                • Re: Chaos?

                                  Fri, June 17, 2005 - 11:32 AM
                                  In all sincerity,
                                  answering the threads question for me would be to explain that People who are interested in both have a prediliction for intellectual, detailed, orderly, forms of Philosophy and or magi-relgio concepts. The particulars of why in each case would be specific to the person under consideration.
                                  (laughs) perhaps a 'Personality Profile' using a persons belief/conceptual system could be generated. Oh, yeah Duh! The traditions already had this! It was called 'Initiation.'
                                  How does a Mystic answer a Psych test that askes, 'I hear sounds that others seldom hear.' (strictly rhetorical....I know my answer...as Fox eye's people who are looking to crucify another messiah :)
                                  Peace out
                                  Fox
                                  • Re: Chaos?

                                    Fri, June 17, 2005 - 11:53 AM
                                    Oh yeah, I tested positive there before. Here's an amusing case from the annals of Psychology:

                                    "A 74 year-old deaf woman was admitted to a hospital because she was said to be acutely disturbed. She had left the water taps on in her house and had broken all of her crockery and said that she was tormented by voices. All of her routine physical signs were normal and her symptoms subsided after treatment with trifluoroperazine, but she complained of insistent voices emanating from her vagina in the form of songs singing the "Old Rugged Cross" and the "Hallelujah Chorus". At times she would sing along with the voices. After about 6 years of treatment, she began to complain about vaginal pain. Doctors examinations proved that there was nothing physiologicaly wrong with her and was diagnosed as psychogenic pain (that is pain without a physiological basis)."

                                    Ahh, the Old Rugged Cross, can't say I've had that one yet. Here is an link to a list of psychological anomalies (the whole site is kind of fun to explore), interesting to see how many of these I've actually experienced. Perhaps I'm not as sane as I thought:

                                    www.science-frontiers.com/cat-psyc.htm
              • Re: Chaos?

                Sun, July 17, 2005 - 6:26 AM
                im initiated in a hermetic orden here in sweden....called merlinorden....we practice a lot of the nordic shamanism...keltic and rudolf steiner is the central in the christian mystesism....esoteric system...I havent come across any serious magicians who would even consider working with chaos magic...its not considered serious....its more naiv and an expression of imaturity....ok....like cures like ....it might come from chaos .....but what good can possible come out of it.....???? any body thinking diffrently??? please feel free....Personally i use the hermetic system for inner transformation,protection and strenght.......

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