Book Reviews: The Zelator

topic posted Fri, March 12, 2004 - 1:46 PM by  Sarus
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I'm looking for anyone who's reat the Zelator, and what they think of it's linking of 'pagan' and 'christian' knowledge, especially esoteric knowledge from the middle ages.

I'm impressed by the breadth and depth of what's being covered. I'm wondering if anyone else has a reveiw of it.
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  • Re: Book Reviews: The Zelator

    Fri, March 12, 2004 - 9:09 PM
    One of the things I love about tribe.net, everyday I learn a new word. Yesterday it was Aethyrs, today it is Zelator. My desire to comment forces me to reveal that I have no knowledge of the book and that I am an ignorant and uneducated fool and any comment I make is merely an opinion from a mind that many call demented.

    Paul Foster Case said that Zelator is the first of nine steps (or degrees) in the Rosicrucian initiation process.
    www.bizcharts.com/stoa_del_...index.html

    The Thelmic Order of the Golden Dawn explains a little more about what it is to be a Zelator
    www.thelemicgoldendawn.org/file...r.htm

    One may even find on the web the ceremony, with diagrams of the room, by which one becomes a Zelator.
    www.angelfire.com/ab6/imuht...elator.htm

    Truthfully, this fool sees one step on a path that leads where I have never been. But the possibility of going there fills me with awe.

    Brad
    • Re: Book Reviews: The Zelator

      Sat, March 13, 2004 - 6:07 AM
      It's funny. The book is all about the "path of the fool". Interesting that you chose that word to describe yourself. You might like the book. This one is by Mark Hedsel.

      I didn't realize the word had so many associations within various groups. I'd never heard it before either. The author defines it thus: The word Zelator is derived from the Greek (by way of Latin) zelotes, denoting one who burns with jealousy. However, this is not ordinary jealousy, for the word contains within it the notion of an intense love, through the latin Zelo, 'To love ardently'. Within hermetic literature, this burning jealousy is for higher things - a student is, for example, a jealous lover of the higher vision available to the master, and one strives to attain this vision for oneself. The modern term "zealous" still retains some of the intensity of the original word.

      Scott's note: The Modern word 'jealous' itself seems to have the same sort of root.
      • Re: Book Reviews: The Zelator

        Sat, March 13, 2004 - 6:10 AM
        The Themelic Order of the golden Dawn defines Zelator as such: The word Zelator is derived from the ancient Egyptian word Zaruator, signifying "Searcher for Hathoor." Hathoor is otherwise called Het-Heru, that is, the House of Horus. This House of Horus is Nature Herself, the Temple of the Four Elements of which you are a zealous student.

        I like the Greek/Latin derivation better. Seems cleaner. Perhaps there's truth to both, for the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians had a nearly (sometimes literally) incestuous relationship.
        • Re: Book Reviews: The Zelator

          Sun, March 21, 2004 - 7:12 AM
          The Zelator is a student "Nature Herself, the Temple of the Four Elements of which you are a zealous student."

          In my understanding the Zelator is a beginning student grounding himself in the physical world. This is so because as one advances in the study of Magic one needs to be able to return to the real, or physical, world. There are many stories of those who "got lost" an either died, went insane, or simply never returned from their magic quest.

          This is the part of the quest that I am now engaged in, grounding myself, centering myself, preparing for the quest.

          4winds
  • Re: Book Reviews: The Zelator

    Thu, May 19, 2005 - 2:00 PM
    • Re: Book Reviews: The Zelator

      Mon, May 23, 2005 - 12:23 PM
      Uhhhh, just wondering.......there was a mention of 'mixing of pagan & christian elements.'

      This appears to have an supposition that original Christianity was not 'pagan'. The Christianity which became Roamn Catholicism blended (with great success) elements of several different religions (considered now to be pagan) to create Catholicism, which means 'Universal.'

      But having mentioned that i recall a friend of mine who is a Christian Wiccan. Even Alex Sanders the creator of the 'Alexandrian' flavor of Witchcraft kept a statue of Jesus on his altar which he called 'The cosmic Christ.' This is a reference to the 'Christos' a Greek myth of a supernatural hero. He was known as Dionysis at one time :) Wine and Lamb anyone?)

      A mention for the cautious.....Egyptian language is still being deciphered. I would not lend too much credence to a great deal of the G.:D.: They were a group of people who 'made - up' alot of their own mythology as they went along :) That includes their 'Charter' from the 'Secret Chiefs'.
      Of course Christian Rose-n-cruetz is probably spinning in his Egyptian muraled tomb at my telling you this :)

      Peace out-
      Fox

      PS-(my take on Zelator, a title which i held was 'an initiate with ZEAL.' But as Joe Campbell was wont to say, "You pick your mythology and pay for your choice)
      • Christianity

        Fri, June 10, 2005 - 7:20 AM
        The quotes around 'pagan' and 'christian' were meant to denote the fact that these deliniations are vague at best.

        However, in the third and fourth centuries, the Christians began to take great pains to a) absorb popular pagan stuff, while b) destroying as much of it as they could. This only makes sense: You want to keep what is familiar, while bowing to the popular themes of the day. That's why remakes of old songs and movies seem to do well financially, while failing to really tap into what made the originals noteworthy. :-)

        The more I delve into the history of the world around the time of Jesus, the more amazed I am about how the marketplace of ideas managed to select for Christianity rather than any of the competing theories at the time (Mithrism, Manicheism, Monastism, Arianism, etc.) I get the feeling the Christians just had a better marketing campaign, in the person of St. Paul.

        -SB

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