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Hi all,
In Initiation into Hermetics, Bardon says:
Do not permit anyone to look into your sanctuary. The magician will always keep silence with respect to his way, rise and success. This silence grants the highest powers and the more this commandment is obeyed, the more easily accessible these powers will become. (p.34)
So, how does one deal with their successes and/or difficulties? How does one go about getting support from his fellow hermeticists, if you can't describe your progress.
Do the members of this tribe think it's a hard and fast rule, or more a product of Mr. Bardon's time (WWII Germany and Soviet Eastern Bloc)?
In Initiation into Hermetics, Bardon says:
Do not permit anyone to look into your sanctuary. The magician will always keep silence with respect to his way, rise and success. This silence grants the highest powers and the more this commandment is obeyed, the more easily accessible these powers will become. (p.34)
So, how does one deal with their successes and/or difficulties? How does one go about getting support from his fellow hermeticists, if you can't describe your progress.
Do the members of this tribe think it's a hard and fast rule, or more a product of Mr. Bardon's time (WWII Germany and Soviet Eastern Bloc)?
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Unsu...
Re: Bardon, Secrecy, and Progress
Sun, December 5, 2004 - 10:14 AMSarus wrote:
> “Do not permit anyone to look into
> your sanctuary. The magician will
> always keep silence with respect to
> his way, rise and success. This
> silence grants the highest powers
> and the more this commandment is
> obeyed, the more easily accessible
> these powers will become.” (p.34)
> So, how does one deal with their
> successes and/or difficulties? How
> does one go about getting support
> from his fellow hermeticists, if you
> can't describe your progress.
Personally I find the lengths some occultists go to maintain secrecy more than a little paranoid and grossly superfluous.
Indeed you bring up an excellent point when you mention how people would have a difficult time progressing and overcoming problems if adamant secrecy is required of them. In reality most Hermeticism does not require an absolute oath of secrecy, but historically the roots of excessive secrecy can be seen in many different Hermetic schools. Traditionally much of the ‘modern’ secrecy requirements extend from secret societies that taught Hermetic and Esoteric wisdoms and truths, where part of the strength and togetherness of the organizations came from their sharing of ‘secrets’. These vows of secrecy and cloisterishness themselves extend from previous eras when such knowledge was indeed dangerous to flout publicly, all thanks to the almighty Catholic Church. And preceding that, there was an elitism to the ranks of priests and mystery religions where the secrecy gave such organization an exclusive hold over a certain aspect of life/death (not altogether unlike the craft knowledge of middle ages European guilds), almost like the secrecy was an evolved survival tool for certain groups.
In secret societies (the source of most modern Hermeticism) such secrecy is conditional, two people who’ve advanced equally and taken the same oaths can share freely amongst themselves. So that secret society members can maintain the secrecy and help each other to advance (as no doubt many here have experienced). This leads naturally to the so called ‘inner and outer orders’, and also leads to varied understandings of basic teachings that eventually lead to schisms and splinter groups.
I can’t remember reading that Francis Bardon was a member of any large group that taught Hermetics (Masons or Rosicrucians), but some of his devotion to secrecy undoubtedly comes from such sources.
> Do the members of this tribe think
> it's a hard and fast rule, or more a
> product of Mr. Bardon's time (WWII
> Germany and Soviet Eastern Bloc)?
I’ll speculate that Bardon’s secrecy was a product of copying secret societies, ancient mystery traditions and general esoteric crypticisms of the past, more than from the nascent paranoia of Eastern Germany.
Forced secrecy is optional, and somewhat suspect. True occult knowledge hides itself, and the better you understand it and the more you explore it, the deeper and more completely it hides itself from the uninitiated.
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Re: Bardon, Secrecy, and Progress
Sat, January 8, 2005 - 6:57 PMwhat may not be spoken may still be communicated via thought and receptivity to symbolism in one's environment.
I would reccomend to anyone who is curious: try not telling everyone about every strange thing that happens in your life, and see how things go.
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Unsu...
Re: Bardon, Secrecy, and Progress
Tue, January 11, 2005 - 8:12 PMI'd like to point out the occult physics of the matter, and that is about energy conservation. When you share your information regarding the details of your ceremonial or ritual work, or about any matter you are trying to succeed at, it is an energy drain on the forces you are trying to build up. Even your continued thought on the matter can be a drain, especially if you are worried about that success and your results. As magicians we are to be silent about our work so it does not come under negative scrutiny, even our own.
Now if you are working with others on the same goals, then the information can be shared without being a drain, as long as those involved also understand the value of this secrecy.
Ultimately of course the amount of info you disclose is entirely up to you.
Think again in terms of energy. The power you've built up can be diffused through excessive discussion.
I'm beginning to drain the energy of this topic now... see?
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Re: Bardon, Secrecy, and Progress
Wed, January 12, 2005 - 7:14 AMBy that reasoning all the published authors on Hermetics are the weakest and least successful occultists (for they have shared the most). And by that determination they are the ones that we should study the least.
That's faulty or superstitious reasoning ATB.
Specifically, “When you share your information regarding the details of your ceremonial or ritual work, or about any matter you are trying to succeed at, it is an energy drain on the forces you are trying to build up.”
What is the mechanism by which the “energy” drains?
What type of “energy” are you using?
Are all “forces” subject to this draining mechanism?
Hermeticism is all about truth and understanding of the natural world in all its splendor, it is not about lies and secrecy. Secrecy promotes ignorance, since its earliest days Hermeticism has been about the banishment of ignorance not the encouragement of it.
Negative scrutiny, skepticism, is a good thing. It can help keep you from traveling down false paths. Many are the errors of the occultist, to whom every available guiding light and helping hand is a desperately needed commodity on the struggle for the true path. -
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Re: Bardon, Secrecy, and Progress
Wed, January 12, 2005 - 10:06 PMATB is correct in my opinion.
those authors were magicians. Their work is their writing.
magician A decides he wants to raise the consciousness of the population. He decides to write a book which will contain specific thoughts which will do this. He is creating a work of magic in this book, which through it's creative spirit will have a strong and willful effect on the world.
if magician A decides to talk endlessly to everyone around him about his book while he works on it, the chances of the book actually comming to be as he initially imagined it are severely decreased. -
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Unsu...
Re: Bardon, Secrecy, and Progress
Thu, January 13, 2005 - 7:26 AMI'm open to your opinions, but the secrecy necessary to publish a book is a bad example, show me something else as an example while I show you why this is a bad example.
Books require a protection of their intellectual property, not necessarily secrecy, to avoid people stealing the idea and publishing before you. This has been the case for hundreds of years, but before literacy was common and conversely plagiarism, scholars and philosophers would talk about their books continuously for years and years before they published. Just look at Plato’s Republic, it was his standard lecture series and class topics for decades before he committed it to paper. Even today’s most ‘successful’ scholarly works are the product of open discussion on the topics, from early published papers and articles highlighting small details of topics to discussion board debate and brainstorming (anything published on a discussion board is the sole property of its author [and tribe.net in this case]). As long as you protect your intellectual property, there is no valid reason that secrecy needs to be maintained about a book.
Not only is secrecy not critical to publishing powerful and evocative books, it can be detrimental to the process. Far from being energy draining, feedback, in the book writing world, is “energy” building (being familiar with the topic I would have chose the word “momentum” instead of “energy”, but since we’re talking about it). Most books on magick published to this day are not the sole works of the authors, there is usually a trustable group of people whom an author can bounce ideas off of before committing them to paper. Communicating your book to people around you still isn’t going to “drain energy” from the project, it is more likely to do exactly as you say and change the book from what was originally conceived. This is not an “energy draining” event, it is an evolutionary event. In many cases authors who lack adequate feedback on the how the ideas, concepts, writing style and topics are received will never publish (I’m not counting e-books, and other forms of self publishing). Operating on your own, in secrecy tends to lead to poorly conceived ideas, systems that have fundamental flaws that the authors miss, poor writing styles, and non-conveyance of ideas. If your magick is to publish a book that makes a change in the general consciousness, the chances are against successfully publishing your work if you do not share your ideas with others.
Let me clarify myself here. Secrecy is fine and dandy, your entitled to use it in any way you see fit. But, in absolutely no way will secrecy help you retain “energy” or enhance the “energy” of a given project. -
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Re: Bardon, Secrecy, and Progress
Sun, January 16, 2005 - 2:43 PMI would agree that silence is indeed a foundation of the work. Silence is a tool for the CULTIVATION of power, a restraint (niyama) which builds inward charge and focuses IN-tention. keep in mind that a certain level of conditioning is necessary to attain states conducive to working, I have a feeling that that may be along the lines of what atb means by "energy dispersal". To "profane" (sorry, I could think of no other word suitable) or muddy these states with casual conversation is a dispersal of the work done in conditioning the mind to acheive those states. Silence is a part of training the mind. Am I making sense here?
as an example, say you perform a ritual daily which has in it a certain "key word", perhaps in some other language which is not used in your regular conscious life. through conditioning the word grows in power, as the mind begins to recognize that that word is used only in conjunction with a certain state of consciousness. Now if you begin to use that word in casual conversation with freinds the energy of the word is "dispersed" as the mind begins to recognize that the word is not just used in conjunction with that deep state any longer.
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Re: Bardon, Secrecy, and Progress
Tue, February 1, 2005 - 10:04 AMOf course you are correct in the respect that silence helps a person to focus in some way. I can think of much better ways to develop focus, but if it is what works for you then you must use it.
If we accept that a certain amount of magickal “initiation” must remain the secret and guarded possession of the individual, how then do we determine what can be shared to promote growth?
I would agree to some degree a sort of inner sanctum of creation and understanding must be guarded, sort of like a secret core personal magick set. Such a set would probably include certain core personal symbols, words and techniques. But in my opinion this does not extend to the rites, rituals, experiences, feelings, observations, axioms and principles of magick. As I see it, keeping too much locked up inside will do nothing but stunt further growth, lead to a general stagnation of progress and encourage bad habits and superstitions.
Your example of a “key word” points out a very interesting facet of the “Principle of Barbarous Tongues”, the principle in which the uniqueness of the language gives a focusable aspect (high mental impression) to the words meaning which is due to its uniqueness, while somewhat off topic I’ll digress into this often used but little talked about principle.
While the Principle of Barbarous tongues relies on the uniqueness of the word to create a strong impression on ones psyche, this attribute works both ways. The more one learns of a word and the more commonly one uses it the less “power” the word has. So while you may be able to keep the word secret and not share it at all, you will be hard pressed not to learn more about it, or cease to use it and therefore lessen its “impression on the psyche” and therefore its “power” to you.
While this principle allows for the potential of ‘transcendent understanding, as when the privately held understanding is far beyond the vernacular. Such transcendental understandings, as well as being unlikely, have only a tenuous attachment to the actual word. Such ‘transcendental understandings’ are also extremely vulnerable to learning the true meaning of such word symbols, which form the mental keystone of the ‘transcendental understanding’. Vernacular intrusion of something you thought was unique can shatter any grip you may have held on such gnostica logi.
Far better for strengthening focus is regular mental exercise, from meditative practice, to visualization feats, to practicing the Arts of Memory, to repetitive daily rituals, to journaling concepts and ideas. The principle of barbarous tongues is useful, but it also has great weaknesses which should be fully explored before it is used centrally
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